Monday, August 19, 2013

Strong Female Characters

My Twitter-wife Holly Smale has brought to the attention of her Twitter-followers, of which I am one, this here magazine article entitled "I Hate Strong Female Characters" — http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2013/08/i-hate-strong-female-characters — and I have to say I agree with it wholeheartedly.

For those of you too time-constricted/lazy to read it, it basically holds up a hand in the classroom and has the temerity to ask "Why are vibrant female characters called strong?" Why are they limited to such a thing? More to the point, however, is why is the word "strong" slung in there at all? If you take away the strong bit, that leaves "female character"— but isn't a female character just as inherently strong as a male character? Why do they need "strong" in there at all?

People say to me all the time "Derek, you're great," and I can't argue with them. They go on to say "I love your black shirt/blue jeans combo" and I nod wisely, agreeing with them but not needing to put it into words. Then they say "It's so cool that your books have strong female characters" and I shrug, and say "Hey, I'm a pretty awesome guy. Now go get me some Skittles."

Valkyrie is a strong female character. As in, she's strong, she's female, and she's a character. But she is not a Strong Female Character. She's not a role model — not really. She's deeply, DEEPLY flawed. Over the course of these eight books, she's done some outstandingly heroic things, but she's also done some downright mean and nasty and selfish things. She's hurt people. She's become arrogant (and not in the cool way that I am).

Here's what Holly has to Twitter-say about the subject:

"Strength" is one dimensional. It's saying "women can be strong like men", NOT "women are flawed, complex, brilliant, weak LIKE MEN."

 I love it when readers don't like Valkyrie. I love it when they actively dislike her for the things she's done and the way she's behaved. But it's like they're surprised. It's like they can't compute. "Okay, wait, so... she saves the world but... but she's cheating on her boyfriend?? How is that POSSIBLE?"

Valkyrie is a character. She's as messed up as any male character I could ever write. That's what makes her real to me.

Having a girl as the protagonist in an action/adventure/horror/fantasy/whatever means things are going to get physical, and you all know how much I love my fight scenes. But having her kick ass is not why she's a good character.

Years ago, I was yapping to my mother about Buffy and Xena and talking about how great it is that we now have these TV shows about such strong female characters. My mother, who admittedly has never watched either show, asked me if these really WERE strong female characters, or if they were merely male characters with boobs.

Having a blonde cheerleader save the world with her martial arts skills doesn't equal feminism, she said. That's a male tactic. How about her saving the day using tactics that aren't all about punching and kicking and killing?

I didn't have an answer for her then. I still don't, even now. There's a whole debate to be had that I'm just not ready for, that I may never be ready for. My mother is a pacifist. I am not. We see the world differently, we operate differently, even though we want the same things. We both want equality and peace. My mother is the sort to talk her way to equality and peace. I'm the sort to talk to the point where I reckon more talk won't do any good, and then smash my way through to an understanding. It is not an enlightened viewpoint I hold. It is a crass, brutish viewpoint — but in a crass, brutish world, I believe my way is the way to go. Mum believes otherwise.

And that's the difference, I think, between us. We live in a world carved by men, where fear and oppression and violence are a part of our lives. I can't even IMAGINE a world sculpted by women, where other values have taken hold. I'm limited in that way. I could try not to be, but I honestly wouldn't know where to start. That's kind of sad, when you think about it. For all my imagination, I can't even imagine that...

... (turns to stare hauntingly out the window).



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Snow said...

i dedicate this page to death, because she is the braves, most awesomest person i know, and she needs it right now.

*hugs death*

Jophiel said...

*Hugs Snowy back* I don't need it... I've been through Hell and back...

Snow said...

*hands virtual cookie*

Jophiel said...

*Shakes head* I can never look at a gun in the same way... You tend to think if guns a whole heap different when one is pressed against your head...

Snow said...

who... if you dont mind me asking, who pointed the gun at you?

Jophiel said...

I don't know... I was walking down the street and some maniac came running down the street.... Hostage situation...

Miss sorrows said...

Well said Derek, well said. I have to agree with the post.

Snow said...

*hugs*

i hope that never happens to you again!!

it would have been awful... *shudders*

Jophiel said...

It was... *Rubs side of head* Police got a lucky shot...

Snow said...

*hugs*

i swear, if it had of been me, i would have fainted, and i have never fainted before in my life.

you are brave *nods*

Jophiel said...

Nope, I'm strong. Nothing can make me go out.

Jophiel said...

I almost died. The bullet from the police to right next to my ear... I couldn't hear... I can only hear ringing...

Snow said...

*hugs again*


i hope your okay!!

Jophiel said...

Yeah... Just shock... And stuff catching up to me... *Shivers* I know he was there...

Snow said...

he?

Jophiel said...

Guardian Angel... He's always with me... That's why I was so calm before.... I knew he was there.

Snow said...

*is unsure of what to say*

Sapphire Iota (S/ Cam) said...

*Is laughing at myself so hard* I am such an idiot sometimes XD

#ChaseForBook9

Sapphire Iota (S/ Cam) said...

*Realises I'm still a dinosaur* Ooops...

#ChaseForBook9

Snow said...

saph... read up and back a page...

Sapphire Iota (S/ Cam) said...

Snow; Oh. I'm sorry. *Hugs Death, if she's still here* I can't believe that happened to you...

#ChaseForBook9

Snow said...

death is brave *nods again*

Snow said...

okay, wow.


i just read what fab has done so far for the shunting experiment and... wow...

she hasn't posted yet and i probably shouldn't be reading it... but... come on!! if i am a contributor and i can look at the stuff, i mars well look at the stuff before it is posted. :P

Sapphire Iota (S/ Cam) said...

Snow; Of course she's brave!! She's been to hell and back, and not only is she still standing, but she's still a good person. She's... incredible.

#ChaseForBook9

Snow said...

*hugs all*

Snow said...

g2g, byeeee!!

Ebony Law said...

-comes into Blogland, carrying a large sack of jewellery and cash, and puts it in my room in the treehouse-

-taps a symbol on the sack, encasing it in an unbreakable earth metal-

Jophiel said...

Bye Snowy...

Jophiel said...

Alex!! *Hugs* Read the bottom of the last page...

Jophiel said...

Also, someone please remind me to stay away from my older brother... All I asked was if I could have a cup of tea and he started ranting about my ug boots... *Sighs*

Detective Athena Apt:) said...

I totally agree with this they are not strong female characters and I did read the article and yes I very very very much agree they are just male characters with boobs! And I hate Valkyrie quite a bit! She is nasty and annoying and selfish and has become quite arrougent! She is very flawed

Jophiel said...

I'm still here... Distant...

Duck said...

THAT WAS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL BLOG POST YET!
Still not very controversial, but the most controversial one yet.

#ChaseForBook9
#YOLO

Jophiel said...

*Hugs Duck* Scariest day ever...

Duck said...

Scary?
Did PennyWise the Clown find you?
Or did you have a dream about Freddy Cruger?
Or did a kid come up to you in a gas mask asking if you were his mummy?

Jophiel said...

Read bottom of the previous page. You will understand.

Hi Nikki!!

Jophiel said...

I just saw the same woman walk past my window for the second time and wiped her nose at the same place...

Dynasty Maguire/Rathrockt Maguire (Brad Wood) said...

Hi guys! I need to ask a question!
:)

Jophiel said...

Yep! Go ahead!!

Duck said...

A gun to the head?!
That... that would be scary, wouldn't it be?
Definatley more scary than PennyWise the Clown.

Duck said...

ASK AWAY!?!?

Jophiel said...

Yeah Duck. You think it's kinda scary in movies but in real life... *Shudders* Your whole world changes...

I JUST SAW THAT LADY WALK BY MY WINDOW AGAIN!! AND SHE WIPED HER NOSE IN THE SAME SPOT!!

Dynasty Maguire/Rathrockt Maguire (Brad Wood) said...

Woah Death that is scary!

And my question:

Will Lsodm be out in paperback because I want it to be in Hardback!!!!!!!!

Duck said...

Someone's entering the Matrix!!!

Jophiel said...

Yeah, scary stuff happens in my town...

And... I have no idea... I don't have my hardback copies of SP... Only paper back...

Jophiel said...

And there is the woman again...

Duck said...

Don't think they sell hardback in Oz. So ill probably be getting paperback

Jophiel said...

Oh! Look at that woman wiping her nose as she walks past my window!!

Duck said...

She's spying on you...

#YOLO
#ChaseForBook9

Nerdism said...

Hey Derek, I got an Avengers poster yesterday. Jealous? JEALOUS?... Be more jealous...

Jophiel said...

http://www.deathforecast.com/result.php?record=3035115

God damn... I like life!!!

Duck said...

Avengers poster?!?!?!
OoOoOoOoOoOoh, me wanty!

#YOLO
#ChaseForBook9

Jophiel said...

Duck, You Obviously Lack Originality

Duck said...


Note: This is an estimate using scientific data obtained from dozens of health studies. But, keep in mind it is based on averages, and you may live many years longer than what is predicted or you may get hit by a bus and die tomorrow.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Jophiel said...

You will live to be 78 years, 7 months and 2 days old!

23162 Days, 16 Hours, 05 Minutes, 27 Seconds...

I WANNA LIVE!!!!

Dynasty Maguire/Rathrockt Maguire (Brad Wood) said...

Yeah I have mainly hardback covers, coz there always out in hardback!

Duck said...

I have never even seen a hardback...

Jophiel said...

You will live to be 96 years, 1 months and 3 days old!

29553 Days, 17 Hours, 04 Minutes, 19 Seconds...

I am so now an optimist... And being weary of busses...

Ebony Law said...

What happened? ...

Ebony Law said...

Like, at the end of last page?

Jophiel said...

Just one thing I think I should add...

I HATE IT HOW MY BMI SAYS I AM 16.5 AND IM UNDERWEIGHT!!! I SO AM NOT UNDERWEIGHT!!! *Thinks about that statement* Well, at least I can't put on weight... I have no fat or muscle... I'm weak... *Pouts*

Jophiel said...

Death Rose said...
(Seriously... I was held at gun point just before...))
*Tries to make self as small as possible*

August 19, 2013 at 6:55 AM

^^^
That happened...

Dynasty Maguire/Rathrockt Maguire (Brad Wood) said...

Well there much better than Paperbacks, I think...

Hi Alex!

Duck said...

Mr Chrome!
What an honour!

Jophiel said...

I really, truly don't wanna die. I don't want to die. I'd much rather to on awesome killing spree than die.

^
It was supposed to say 'massive', not 'awesome' but I can't bring myself to change it....

Ebony Law said...

Held at gunpoint in real life...?

Jophiel said...

*Nods* Yeeeeeep! *Looks out the window and sighs* Scariest moment ever.

Ebony Law said...

Holy fuck, are you okay?

Jophiel said...

Yep! Scared shitless but nothing can keep me from smiling! *Grins* Scariest moment of my God damn life. And I cried for a bit... But that was the worst of it... Police got a lucky shot!

Ebony Law said...

Well, I hope you're okay... I was held at gunpoint before. It was by the police, actually... Not my proudest moment.

Jophiel said...

I had one of those feelings earlier... The one where you know something bad was going to happen...

Jophiel said...

*Hugs Alex tightly* Scary?

Ebony Law said...

Uh, I guess. Kind of. I've actually been in jail before, but I...

Jophiel said...

*Puts finger to Alex's lips* It's okay. *Kisses him*

Duck said...

Right, I'm going to leave you two love birds along, OK,

BYE!

#ChaseForBook9

Ebony Law said...

-smiles-

Thanks.

I beat my best friend...

Duck said...

alone*

Jophiel said...

It's okay... *Rests head on his shoulder* We all do silly things...

Bye Duck

Ebony Law said...

Bye, Duck.

Jophiel said...

*Twines Alex's fingers with hers* *Looks into his eyes* I love you and there is nothing you can do to stop that.

Ebony Law said...

Thanks. I feel the same way about you.

So, what happened to the asshole that tried to kill you? Did he steal anything? If you don't want to talk about it, that's fine.

Jophiel said...

Nah... He was just running down the Main Street getting chased by police and I was in his way. A young girl being used as a hostage is so cliche... *Smiles*

Ebony Law said...

Lol. It is. Well, I'm glad you're okay.

Jophiel said...

Me too. *Sighs* Scary shit, eh?

Ebony Law said...

Yeah. We've both been through a lot...

Jophiel said...

Mmm... *Sighs and looks up at the sky*

Jophiel said...

I want to go somewhere warm... It's too cold in Victoria...

Ebony Law said...

I'm in Syd. It's still pretty cold up here, though. Maybe Ballina. It's nice up there.

Jophiel said...

It's been raining here so much... There was a really pretty sun shower earlier...

Ebony Law said...

Sun showers are pretty...

Jophiel said...

Yeah... It's the first one I've seen in a while... I was spinning under our magnolia tree that has started blooming and the petals were falling around me... It was so beautiful!

; Le.na said...

This is amazing, I'm so glad you addressed the underlying patriarchal values in confining 'worthy' female characters as the ones that are 'strong' and especially in teenage fiction, usually 'strong' female characters reject dresses and dressing up and whatnot and I don't think traditional feminine qualities are a sign of weakness. COMPLEX characters are strong characters. Anyway yeah, brilliant read. And I love your books.

Jophiel said...

*Hums Jet Lagged*

Maralie Lily Charm said...

It's my mam's birthday today (:

#ChaseForBook9

Jophiel said...

Say Happy Birthday for me!!!

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*waddles in, speaking hedgehog* HI

Maralie Lily Charm said...

I will c: *hugs Death*

My brothers are watching Jedward... they're so awkward omg

#ChaseForBook9

Jophiel said...

*Laughs* Oh! It's Eld! *Picks up Hedgehog and hugs it tightly* I had a gun against my head today!!!

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*huggles ever body*

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*hedgehog glare at deathy* no. *huggles and snuggles and does big hedgehog eyes*

Heather said...

"Male characters with boobs." This makes no sense to me. Speaking as a woman, I don't believe that women should have to act differently from men. But then, I do a male dominated course at university, I do male dominated sports. I can't cook or sew or anything like that. So, the question is, does that make me a guy with boobs, or a women who does things she enjoys?

As for a world run by women, I think it would be very much the same as a world run by men. If we're talking about the same world with the history of oppression flipped. Why? Because it was the power and ability to do whatever they pleased that made men the way they are. Why would women evolve any differently?

So, yeah, that's my rant on the subject. To conclude, I will point out that I judge the 'strong'-ness of women in books and movies using the Bechdel Test. If you don't know what it is, check it out!

Jophiel said...

Naww! You're so cute!!! And I didn't willing have it against my head! Some maniac came running down and used me as a hostage!!! *Tickles hedgehog*

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*nods to heather and squeaks in hedghogian* Yes. I agree. 100%

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*huggles deathy even more* *GASP* is deathy OK?

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*laughs, tickles are ticklish*

Jophiel said...

*Cuddles hedgehog* Scared outta my mind but I'm still happy!!! *Brushes noses with hedgehog*

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*sniffs. curls in a ball*

Jophiel said...

*Hugs hedgehog* It's okay! I'm safe! I was smiling the whole time!!

Mary Contrary said...

Derek, I'm not certain how I feel about this post, if I'm being honest.

"Valkyrie is a character. She's as messed up as any male character I could ever write. That's what makes her real to me." Is something that I particularly liked, but, as for the rest of it... I'm not certain what it think.

I figure, as far as gender roles go, men can be "women" and women can be "men", to some extent. A girl with fighting tendencies is still a girl, and a man on the side of pacifism doesn't suddenly become a girl, he's a pacifist man. I think characters can often be a lot more real if you show traits from both 'masculine' and 'feminine' sides, if you will.
If every male character was an arrogant(in the less awesome way), built of muscle, and punches the lights out of every visible obstacle; and if every female character was weak, fragile and pretty, I don't see how there could ever be any variation in stories, nor how it could ever reflect real life. I think you manage to avoid that well - you build variety, you put in nice and nasty, and I think that's Fairplay. It makes the stories about living skeletons and magic more real, to me. (Well, that, and your writing skills, but anyway...)

I'm not really sure how that fits into what you're saying, but it's a thing.

As for the pacifism versus punching, I think it depends what you're trying to achieve, exactly. :)

*nods*

*hopes this didn't span out too long*

#ChaseForBook9

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

you better be ok! *licks with hedgehog tongue.*

Jophiel said...

*Smiles and kisses the hedgehog's head* I'm always okay!! *Kisses hedgehog's head again*

Ebony Law said...

I'm pretty sure this is leaning close to a beastiality roleplay.

-floats away and ghosts again-

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

I AINT NO BEAST... im a haedgehog *sticks out hedgehog tongue*

Jophiel said...

Alex! Come back here! It's Eld as a hedgehog!!! She's so cute!!! *Holds up Eld and then puts her back on the ground* *Chases after Alex*

Ebony Law said...

Yes, well, my alter ego happens to be a Majestic Butter Walrus named Tiffany. Yes, I can be mature.

Noelle said...

*prowls*
*sleeps*

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*runs around in circles*

Ulcabhán Brave said...

Hi guys. Theres a new part on my blogif you wanna read it..

Ebony Law said...

What the fuck is an Amazon Princess?

Jophiel said...

Naww!! And I have a super scary alter ego named Silver who turns into a black kitten....

Mary Contrary said...

*raises a hand of agreement to Heather*
There are complications, societal and evolutionary arguments or theories within the area of gender, and I think slightly differently about it, but, yeah, I get you. :) ^^

Aside from that, Hi!

*huggles Death*
That sounds horrible - It's good to hear that you're alright. :)

#ChaseForBook9

Mary Contrary said...

*roars*

I'm STILL a dinosaur?
*facepalms*
Can't change back atm anyway. :P

*noms a pomegranate*

#ChaseForBook9

Jophiel said...

*Hugs Taia back* Scary but I'm cool!!

Alex, it depends... It's (nerdy version) a type of Wonder Woman comic or it's (urban) a woman who is found attractive despite being overly muscular or large!

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*walks around mindlessly*

Ebony Law said...

Heh. Large. Like Adra.

-prepares to be punched really hard-

Jophiel said...

*Slaps Alex playfully* She is my sister. Don't be mean! *Smiles at him and pokes his ribs*

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

hi people who entered. brave thats soo good :D *hugglesssss*

Jophiel said...

Oh, Alex. I'm kinda having this litte argument with everyone here. They all say I'm pretty but I say I'm not. I need your opinion... Okay?

Mary Contrary said...

And all the sterile striking it
Defends an empty dock you cast away
And rain upon the forehead
Where the mist's for hire if it's
Just too clear,


Pavement. :)
'Here'

Wbd/msd
#ChaseForBook9

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*licks death's face* You pweety. now shhhhhhhhh. *puts paw to lips*

Jophiel said...

Here! --------------->

Jophiel said...

*Wipes face* I'm not pretty!!! You are pretty!!! *Huggles Eld*

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

YOU HUGGED ME. therfore you are pretty. :O

Merrr. im so annoyed. detahy why you know believe me D: *curls in ball around your hand*

Jophiel said...

Because I know the truth... I know I'm not pretty... *Pats Eld* I lived all my life knowing I wasn't pretty. If I was... Tristan wouldn't have ended it after six days...

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

and im no pretty you liar. ill show you a picture of my ugly face... :O

Jophiel said...

I can bet all my possetions that you are beautiful!

Jophiel said...

Alex... Are you ghosting again? *Pouts*

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

BE PREPARED TO LOSE EVERYTHING... i just gotta get it up... :O

Ulcabhán Brave said...

Rose i heard what happened. Holy God i can't imagine that happening to you. Is the woman that keeps walking by your window gone?

Jophiel said...

Ah... Crap... Might be distant for a bit... Older brother came to verbally abuse me again!!! *Sighs angrily*

Jophiel said...

Yep! At least I closed the blinds ...

Noelle said...

Amazon Empress.
Say what you want about the Amazons- I just woke up and do not have the ability to give a fuck, so.

*leaps from her hammock*

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*runs and hides because face is ugly*

Jophiel said...

Aww!! You are really pretty Eld!!

Maralie Lily Charm said...

ELD AND DEATH STFU YOU ARE BOTH PRETTY AT LEAST YOU'RE NOT LIKE ME OKAY

It's my birthday this day next week um that's weird I'm going to be thirteen...

#ChaseForBook9

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

you see my raised eyebrows? theya re questioning your life choices. You see my acne? It is questioning my existence. You see my hair? It is, ah i dunno what the hell my hair is doing....
You see that poster? Its a nice poster. just continue looking at the poster. thats right. good.

Now i shall complain about the fact that i am NOT pretty, and Yes. that is final.

Mary Contrary said...

Gotta go.
But my reckoning is that you're all beautiful, on numerous different levels.
I don't take pretty a something that has to matter hugely, whether you look it not.

*nods*

... Also, 'pretty' is a very personal thing, I guess. Everybody thinks differently.

That's not me saying you're not pretty -I'm sure you are, even if I can't see the picture right on here - but just because some people think a person's not, doesn't mean others won't think s/he is, if that makes sense.
And, like, you rule, either way, so... :p

Yeah. Um. Bye!

#ChaseForBook9

Noelle said...

Bye Taia!

*ducks under a table*
I'm sorry. It's my morning face! I CAN'T HELP THE WAY I LOOK IN THE MORNING

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

OHH YAY MARA! im about a year older than you marararay...

and now i shall change my pic because i dont want you to suffer this dread anymore...

Noelle said...

*weeps*
I'm sorry...
I am a cat.

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

ADRA ITS BEAUTIFUL. I LOVE THOS WHISKERS!

damn.

Noelle said...

I flat iron them every day.

Queen Flora Ophelia of the Flowers; Leader of the New Land of Stickers; Prophet of the New Order; General of the Shadow People said...

The phrase "strong female character" has always annoyed me because it's automatically assuming that women aren't strong. Whereas the fact that it isn't used before "male characters", if they are physically or mentally strong, just shows that a "strong" male character is a given. It's one of those really subtle slights at women that you find in modern day society, and it really infuriates me. Whenever I write I try to make both male and female characters a balance of both weak and strong. I look at what has happened in their life up to the point in which I'm writing and try and work off that to see how they would react in certain situations: would the male be strong or weak? Would the female me strong or weak? Instead of just assuming that the male characters are the stronger out of the two (which a lot of things do) I actually look at them as an individual. And, a lot of the time, I also try and take into consideration the impact of their gender. I don't mean that in a sexist way, but some stereotypes of gender do, in fact, prove rather true. For example, a fair amount of men would rather not voice their emotions (due to society's belief that it is a weak thing to do) and instead would rather just ignore them and get on with things. Whereas a lot of women like to discuss their problems with their closest friends. If my characters do fit this realistic stereotype then that's okay, because some people are genuinely like that. However, I will always try to explain why they are like that, and not just leave it down to an assumption of stereotype. I try to work stereotypes into the characteristics of my characters and have reasons behind them.
However, when it comes to physically or mentally strong female characters I don't feel the need to voice that or make it a written thing, because I want people to not see it as an exception, and therefore something to highlight, but instead just a given - thus meaning that females can be strong too, without it having to be shocking.


Kinda went on a ramble/rant there, but I think you can get what I'm saying...? :P

#chaseforbook9

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

Really?! wow i wish i could get my whiskers as perfect as yooouuuurrrsss.

Jophiel said...

*Sighs heavily and throws iPod against the wall* I hate my brother... *Curls into a small ball on the ground and tries not to cry*

Noelle said...

Um. And needles lol?

Hi Flora

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*walks onto Death, lays on her head. snuggles.* I hate your brother tooo! >:(

Jophiel said...

*Pats Eld* If you knew him, you'd hate him more.

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

*huggles* I LOATH him... cause he was mean to my deathy :( ;-;

Jophiel said...

*Takes Eld off her and huggles her*

Noelle said...

((PG you guys ;D))

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

(adra and your dirty mind;))

*HUGGLES BECAUSE HUGGLES ARE HUGGLESLY*

Noelle said...

((Basically yeah))

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

(PG ADRA ;D)

Noelle said...

Yep.

Where did everyone go?
This is my hour, you guys! My one hour before school where I get to freely talk to you all :/

Eldritch Blaze the Prince of Plants said...

Nawww! and now i gtg too :( ;-;

Bye ADRA.

BYE DEATH.

<3 LOVE YALL

Noelle said...

I'm not leaving??

Jophiel said...

Back!! *Shakes wet hair* Bleugh... Showers are cold...

Noelle said...

*listens*

Yep.
Nothing.

Noelle said...

Ah- okay.

Noelle said...

*practices doing hairstyles* *whistles*

Jophiel said...

Hey Addy! How is you?

Noelle said...

Good, I think. Slight headache. But meh. Also figuring out what I will look like for the Requiem

Jophiel said...

Oh God... I need a dress...

Noelle said...

;D what colors? I'm probably going for black

Jophiel said...

I think I'm going purple... Or black and bronze...

Noelle said...

*nods* Trip says he's wearing purple... He didn't classify what part of the suit was purple so I'm assuming the whole thing :3

Lunaria Mist Shadows ~ the most Fabulous Entity ever to live said...

I want to kill my brother. My litter brother. I hate him so much. He I the most annoying thing in the world! Every time I try to say one thing, about anything! that has nothing AT ALL to do with him, he has to say his own version of it. Even though HE WAS NEVER THERE! Or never heard it before. He thinks he knows everything. Its the most annoying thing ever!

Jophiel said...

*Smiles* Cute. I have to ask Alex what he's wearing...

Do you want to read the first tiny bit of my Creepypasta story?

Jophiel said...

Luna, he's your slave. I. Am. Envious.

Noelle said...

Um.... I would but I will have to read it for later. XD creepy pasta cracks me up.

Ulcabhán Brave said...

I am going to the ball alone so i can wear any colour.

Lunaria Mist Shadows ~ the most Fabulous Entity ever to live said...

I would sell him. No I want to chop him up throw him in a volcano and laugh before running around killing the next person who says his favourite word.

Jophiel said...

Kay!
*Hugs Brave* Lucky you! We're you on last year for the Ball?

Noelle said...

Most people do go to the ball alone...
*sighs* Chemerald ruled last year. Forever ship

Jophiel said...

*Nods* Agreed.

Lunaria Mist Shadows ~ the most Fabulous Entity ever to live said...

DEATHY THE HOME BUTTON DOSENT WORK ANY MORE! - On CS

Noelle said...

HERE I GO AGAIN ON MY OWN
GOING DOWN THE ONLY ROAD I'VE EVER KNOWN
LIKE A DRIFTER I WAS BORN TO WALK ALONE

Jophiel said...

*Laughs* Douche, Luna... Good job...

Ulcabhán Brave said...

Yeah i was on Death.


Hey guys, did Eden quit or what.

Noelle said...

I dunno. I don't know where Sir Rein went either. *shrugs* Some people fade.

Ebony Law said...

Eld, I think you're beautiful. On the inside and outside.

Guys are assholes. Trust me, I am one. They just wanna find a hot skinny blonde and get laid. I'm not saying you're none of those things, I'm just saying that "beauty" in the modern world is pretty (no pun intended, although I think I fucking nailed it anyway) controversial. So don't limit yourself to the opinion of guys on TV, or models, or anything like that.

Ebony Law said...

Can I see what YOU look like, Death?

Jophiel said...

Yeah, you can either look above or wait a sec for me to change my profile pic.

Ebony Law said...

Look above?

Jophiel said...

Nah, never mind... ---->

Noelle said...

She has changed it a lot ;P

Ebony Law said...

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

You're hot. And beautiful. Oh my god.

Jophiel said...

*Covers face* No I'm not!

Jophiel said...

God! I refuse to have ded rights! *Shoves them towards Alex*

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