Behold.
Wow.
We're still working on it, still altering and changing the little details, still tweaking... but I really wanted to get it out before it's leaked.
And let's face it, it is BRILLIANT.
You can start trembling now.
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As you can tell, my wit is unmatched.
Um, hi Trip?
:P
*hugs*
Long time no speak. How've you been?
As good as always, thanks. Yourself?
Good to hear. :)
Lots of stuff on my mind, but I'm good too. ^.^
Although distant. ^.^'
Cool beans. You excited for that thing that's happening?
Um... I'm not sure what thing you're talking about...?
Did I miss something?
Hello
Mbd
How are you all?
No, it's just that thing. Are you excited about it?
Hey Rhydian! How are your stuffs?
(hey sorry I poofed went for a shower and literally forgot what I was doing... going to take lucy a walk in a minute :/ don't think it was that.)
Hi Rhydian!
Still have no idea what you're on about, Trip, but... Yes? Maybe? Possibly?
Keiron, you were watching YouTube vids, last I remember. And bye if you're going. Hi again if you're still going to be here. :)
(AHHH yeh! thanks :) it was to do with the video :P still need to walk Lucy can comment from phone but mbd :/ :P :3 )
Oh, okay! And you're welcome! Glad I could help! :)
Heya!
And cool, so Ami! Isn't that one aspect of that thing really shaping up to be really cool.
Hey, Trip and Tami! :)
*blinks*
Ami? You mean me? Wow, never thought I'd hear anyone say /that/. Kinda catchy. :)
And um, yes? Really though, you gotta give me more details or something because I'm answering cluelessly. @.@
So, it's midnight, I'm having a minor emotional breakdown, all my stuff is in garbage bags outside in my shitty little town - so half of it isn't going to be there when I wake up, production is over, and my brain is shutting down.
And I really, really can't deal with anything right now.
And I just-
I'm seriously not trying to stir up shit. I'm trying to understand why you won't understand that Noelle could be dead. Yes, I do read through what you say. Yes, I did see the comment about how Moss has seen her activity on other sites, but that doesn't stop me worrying.
There was a time where I would do that for anyone. I would fret and stress until the end of time for you.
But this has torn me apart. I can see know that we are no longer a family - we are a group of people who socialise, and I'm really in need of the people I called my brothers and sisters.
...
I honestly think that tonight will be it. Production is over. I really have barely anything to look forward to...
I can't take anything like this anymore...
Ugh...
Hi again, Kas! :)
How are you?
I'm sorry, Danni...
*hugs tightly*
Please don't. You have your whole life ahead of you. If you have nothing to look forward to, then find something. You always have a choice. You can choose to be happy if you make an effort.
*continues hugging*
I hope you find something that makes you happy, I really do.
Stupid wifi chooses /now/ to act up.
*glares and deletes her second comment*
*bites her lip*
Danni, if you're still here, why don't you talk about your production? I hope you had a good time with whatever it was, and I'm curious to know.
Maybe it could help take your mind off of things...
Also I just remembered how bad I was at making people feel better...
*meaning I still am...
Rose...
...
*hugs Zaf*
Trust me Death, I don't go a week without worrying about that. But we're in contact, we spoke yesterday. I'll pass along your concern next time we speak. I think she'd like that.
But there's something to be gained from this. Every time you get knocked down, you grow a little stronger. No matter what has happened, there's always one silver lining: you learned. You now have something that you didn't before, regardless of what you lost.
And no matter what you lose, you'll always have us,nif that thought doesn't glorify you too much.
(Hello?)
Thank the gods, Trip.
*hugs him*
I'm relieved that at least you're able to keep in actual contact with her.
Hi Chloe.
*hugs her too*
How's your day going?
There is only one god, Tamami, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death?
Herrow! How are things?
(*collapses in exhaustion*
been up since five
been to carboot sale
went for a four mile walk down rhossili
how art everyone?)
Eh. *shrugs*
Blame Percy Jackson. ;P
What(or where) is rhossili?
I'm... Okay, being honest, my mood hasn't been so great and, though I'm trying to keep my chin up, it's not working so well... :/
But yeah, I'm doing my best to be okay.
It's nothing y'all need to worry about anyway. Just some thoughts. Happens once in a while.
Not today.
It's a Game Of Thrones thing. :P
I'm well, thank you. Maybe you should sleep?
(Quadron 17 Section 005 Area 51
Pudge the fish controls the weather and must be appeased on the fourth day of every week with a peanut butter sandwhich.
Scrump has bug eggs in her ears and only has a few days to live. This makes her depressed.
Using a vudoo set her creators friends are punished.
...Lilo and Stitch is weird xD)
I get ya. Don't try and carry the world on your shoulders, though.
It ends somewhat messily.
(may I say something Danni, if youre still here
we are family
want to be a part of it? stop blaming us for not caring or not undertsnading that Noelle could be dead
we worry
but we know she lives)
(Ah oh should've refreshed..)
(Pardonthewhatnow, Silente?)
(Death? You know my email, right? It's in my profile, should you feel as though I could help.)
(rhossili is down the gower
http://www.explore-gower.co.uk/images/phocagallery/rhossiliwormshead/rhossilibay1.jpg)
(*just hugs Danni, cause honestly I don't know what else to do*)
*can't tell what's being said to herself*
*just listens to the conversations, but realizes she should probably head to sleep*
*hugs everyone, wishing them a good day, and fades to sleep*
(*huggles* nos da Tama)
Sleep well Tamamamini.
(*frowns* ...I think my chargers broken again.. the power isn't going down, but neither is it going up..)
(my phone takes ages to charge)
(Nm, is working now.)
(im watching rock of ages
have you seen it?)
(No I can't say I have. What's it about?)
I'm teaching myself Meg's part for Angel of Music by June 5th.
(@Zaf cool! Good luck! :)
My friend is mean. She tried to make me believe marshmallow is dead.)
(that's my birthdayyyyy!
its about this girl who goes to work in this bar that does rock gigs and tom cruise is a rebel rockstar
theres a seen where tom cruise makes love to this woman half his age whilst 'I want to know what love is' plays
I know they don't actually have sex, but it must have been interesting for the woman to act that to a man double her age XD)
Eh I try at least...
(@Chloe ...O_o O-kaaaaay.
*hugs zaffy*
You'll be fine.)
(Jsiwowlendnalosshsus *grins and tacklecuddles marshmallow!*)
(Jai?)
(MARSHMALLOW!!!)
(I don't like marshmallows)
(Not marshmallows, MARSHMALLOW --->)
(tahst the name of the monster? cool)
I really wish autocorrect would stop offering my Kaladin's name whenever I click in an Pt text box. It just makes me want to talk about Kaladin.
. . .
Hello.
Ummmmmmm . . . hmm.
I would LIKE to second what Inky said, but it was worded a bit harshly, and whilst I have no issue with that whatsoever (it's definitely not a critics, Inky :)), if I said it myself I would phrase it differently, whereas when I say 'I second that' I tend to mean 'I would have said that myself if I could have,' so I . . . half-second it? Quarter it?
I would still like my question answered before I said my own first ed thoughts on the subject (although most of what I think has already been said).
I would like, at this juncture, to EXPRESSLY POINT OUT that I don't hate or dislike Dannielle. I just disagree with her actions atm, so am spreading a lot of dislike towards them. However, I do NOT dislike you like I do your current actions, Dannielle! Just making that clear.
What was the other thing . . . ? Ah yes.
I'mean sorry for abandoning you earlier, Jai (I feel guilty for leaving when there's only one other person online. XD) Sadly, I had to go out, so I neither revised nor essayed, but C is trying like hell to 'work out how The Fault In Our Stars is so emotionally impacting when it's so BAD' so I thought I'd do some large-scale literary analysis and give her and unasked-for hand, because I love analysing lit. Yeah. So. That will happen sometime. :)
(I'm back properly... I hate my phone, the screen is flickering can still do stuff but it's annoying.)
Ah yeah.
ALWAYS FEEL FRED TO OFFER OPINIONS! Opinions are great and Wi ALWAYS be appreciated!
BUT they're not mandatory either. :)
(Hey Star ^.^ thank you
I guess it was harsh, but I didn't know how to word it nicely
my brain is mush)
*free
@Conductor: :( That sounds annoying . . . kind of thing that would drive my crazy.
(Hey Con)
*me
:)
Like I said, Inky, I'mentioned totally fine with how you did it
And my brain is like melted ice cream. *nods*
(tahnk you ^.^)
Wbd. Have to do Memrise. And then I might find something else to do, like read or revise.
(very annoying it still works but stuff jumps about on it and I feel like throwing it at people when it does it especially if I'm texting someone I like ughh
Hey monkey :) :P -I'm guessing Chloe?-)
*I'm
My autocorrect doesn't like apostrophes.
@Inky: :)
(MARSHMALLOW ISN'T A MONSTER HE'S ADORABLE AND BRILLIANT ALL HE TRIES TO DO IS PROTECT HIS CREATOR/MUM WHO THEN LEAVES HIM ALL ALONE BUT HE STILL PROTECTS HER CASTLE AND LOOKS AFTER HER CROWN AND HE'S THE EMBODIMENT OF HER LOVE WHEN SHE'S BEING PROTECTIVE AND HE'S NOT A MONSTER HE'S MY BAE!!!)
(okay...)
(*nods and protectively hugs Marshmallow* Not. A. Monster.)
(produces fire*)
(*growls*
*tackles Chloe, fastening a shock collar around her neck*
*jumps back, standing in front of Marshmallow, remote in hand, eyes narrowed*)
(*pouts*)
(*growls*)
(I used my laptop fan for cooking marshmallows on friday :P)
(*sulks*)
(*glares at Conductor*
*watches Chloe closely*)
#(bbs
food)
(that's just how hot it gets if I start playing a very demanding game :P I melted an easter egg with it b4 too :P I'm a pyro that has learned melting is almost as fun as flames :) )
(back ^.^)
(shouldn't you get checked for pyro? incase it becomes extreme...)
(@Conductor *rolls eyes* Be careful..
@Chloe hello again.)
(*hides from Jai*)
Omg, Conductor. :) That's such a cool idea. :)
AOV.
This song is so awesome. :o
(im listening to 'are you gonna be my girl' by jet)
(I won't get checked for anything else why would I for that lol :P I know my way around a flame I will not hurt anyone :3 - mum got rid of the gas fire when I was little because i'd burn stuff in it, like homework hehe :/- guess I was always a little insane )
(but what if it becomes severe?)
I'm listening to AOV by Slipknot. XD
I should revise but my phone just keeps playing good music and Ai can'can't bear to do anything while it-s on because I want to fully appreciate it. XD
(you could say that about anything, I depict killing in my head sometimes too.. doesn't mean I practise it. I should probably get checked but hey I'm doing decently and I don't want them thinking I'm going to harm anyone, I don't wanna be on drugs etc easier to just hide it like everything else.)
@Inkt: Well, then he should see someone.
The only reason mental issues have labels and treatment and stuff is because they're problems. If his pyroness is a problem, it needs dealing with. If it isn't, it'a fine, whether it's normal or not. :)
^My opinion.
(how can you self diagnose? Im, sorry but you need to get checked
you cant just label yourself like that lightly)
(cases can develop into more serious problems
its like OCD
it can get extreme...)
(I'm not diagnosing only that fire is really really cool and I love making it and putting stuff in it. I know when to stop thou.
If i go then they will find out everything and I swear to god there is no way the amount of stuff I tell them will not end in drugs and a white coat. I would rather kill myself than have that happen. Not that I don't wanna do that anyway ok I'm very f'ed up and I have been for years, someone made most that go away but hey now no someone so it came back.)
(OCD is not a bad thing, it makes things look awesome!)
( you did diagnose yourself if you call yourself a pyromaniac
drugs are there to help
and white coats? great thing about how psychiatry and psychology has advanced, the usage of drugs mean you wont be locked up and people can live normal lives)
(its a disorder
obsessive compulsive disorder
it isn't
I know someone who thinks they have it and they are worried
it can get extreme
it can disrupt peoples lives)
@Inky: Look. So long as the Conductor is not hurting himself nor anyone else, there is /nothing wrong/ with him.
The only reason pyromania is a diagnosis with treatments is because of the harm pyromaniacs can do. Is the Conductor harming anyone? No. Then he's fine.
(well that's the word for liking fire and wanting to watch fire etc. fire is not a disease... probably. I really should but I have managed 8 years or so being depressed etc it's just something else I need to deal with.
I don't wanna be on drugs because then it means there is a problem with me. I am adamant no matter how weird I am that I am normal, that I will deal with whatever life throws at me until the day I die, no matter it be my hands or someone else's, I really don't see natural happening.)
(I guess star, I just... what if it develops
I think of it like the gradual commitment theory of obedience
people obey seemingly harmless orders, but then have a harder time refusing more serious orders
it can develop)
I believe that with most mental disorders, you don't get treatment unless it's disrupting your life significantly enough. If you can deal with it, then in theory, you're just meant to deal with it.
(of course, I know people online who said 'I have depression' and just got meds handed to them without even being tested, so obviously stuff isn't perfectly regulated, but.)
(Pyromannia is a disorder
its normal, people liking fire (I think?) but pyromania is the actual disorder
so if you don't think of yourself as having a disorder, don't call yourself a pyromaniac
how can you just say you have been depressed for 8 years so lightly? without seeing someone?
years ago, my nan had a bump on the head
it made her depressed
she couldn't leave the house for YEARS)
@Inky: I just think you should only use treatment IF it develops.
Otherwise, it's a waste of durgs for one thing, and also drugs can often have nasty side-effects or can adapt people's minds, and I just don't see the point in giving people drugs when there is no problem.
Also, I may be reacting a little bit strongly because I don't want people to put me on drugs due to my skin-picking, so I'm kind of reacting to that as well. :/
(its just
I prefer the preventative method rather than curative
id rather have a vaccine for something to prevent it rather than getting the thing and having drugs to cure it
I think its better to get something at the root)
(I know drugs are awful
my 2 year old cousin has finished having chemo for a tumor
shes on meds
in adults, it can giver them suicidal thoughs
she has double the amount an adult would have)
(I say it so lightly because the me who is typing is someone else. This is a face i put on daily to lie to myself and others that I am ok, when i am not, but if I keep pretending to be ok and to be happy then who knows maybe it will eventually happen again.)
@Inky: Um, fairy nuff.
I completely agree that we shouldn't throw these words around lightly. Someone online I saw once has really serious depression - like, they can't move, it's so bad - and so they couldn't come into work for a few days because of that. When their boss asked them where they'd been, they said they had depression, and their boss said it wasn't a proper excuse because everyone dgot depressed sometimes, and the person was just like ". . ." because they couldn't MOVE and they really didn't know what they were going to do because obviously their depression wasn't going to go away so they might end up losing their job.
This would not happen if people said they had depression when they felt a bit down occasionally. The words 'depressed' and 'depression' have been really overused and it is not good. :/
So yeah.
Bit of a tangent.
But.
( there is still no reason to throw it around lightly K)
(*hugs Chloe gently*
Don't worry. You can monitor him on here if you're that concerned?)
(if they make you suicidal I can't take them... like really really can't, geez hard enough fighting that as is without some drugs telling me to do it as well.)
(thanks Star :)
not harming myself with fire at least :) i'm in control of the fire.
lol /nothing wrong/, yup everything is good over here.)
(I can, I guess
I never said to take them, im just using my cousin as an example of how drugs can be bad, I know they can be
but it helps in the end
if nothing is wrong, stop flinging around pyromania like its the common cold!)
Hey Jai! :)
@Conductor: Yeah. :)
I think if you have it under control, you're fine. :)
(I'm taking you on your word for that, btw. :P)
@Inky: *nods* Fairy nuff.
Fairy nuff.
(Hey starry eyes :)
*goes back to cuddling marshmallow*)
(*nods* thanks Starry)
I should probably actually do something now . . . but I can't be bothered to revise hmmmmm.
I know! I'll try to actually understand Further Maths. I never get taught anything, so I constantly struggle with it. :)
(Part of it is my fault becausee I never ask for help, but I'm scared of teachers and I can't be bothered to conquer my fear so eh.)
@Jai: :) You're sweet.
(Sweet? Pfft.)
(what IS further maths? and mechanics? and stats? and pure?
jut came across a song called fuck her gently O.O)
(email, Jai)
@Jai: Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not pfft. :)
@Inky: Don't ask me about machanics and stats, but further maths is more advanced maths. *nodsnods*
O_O
Okay.
I think Marshmallow and Frosty from Thor would be great friends! :D
(Don't worry about me. ughh *slunks into the shadows and slides down a wall somewhere*
I can do things fine because I tell myself too, but everything I pick up i see as something I hate could use etc I don't need to be monitored. no one knows, i'm fine because I have had to be fine for 8 years *shrugs* I'm not throwing it around only that fire is amazing and I LOVE IT sorry, it cleanses us of our sins more than water ever could.
going to leave now for a while prob maybe ghost i dunno I hate how much you know about me now.)
(@Star yah Pfft.
@Dug frosty? *tilts head*)
(right, I guess thatd be like additional maths that we could do in my old school...
Dugster!)
(then don't spout it out
you are the one calling yourself a pyro
that's self diagnosis
a liking of fire? that can be viewed as normal
heck, I like lighting mathches
just don't go around calling yourself pyro)
(@Chloe email :)
(I mean more than matches thou... the bigger the better more beautiful, I was arguing my sanity and realized i sounded insane and you wanted me to get checked and I said I hated the idea of getting drugs. )
(Why people are "proud" that those who should, by any form of logic, have exactly the same rights as anyone else, are finally getting the same rights as anyone else is completely beyond me. And why there had to be a vote is completely stupid. And those whom it does not concern voting on something which does not concern them is ridiculous.)
Who doesn't like burning things?
*though - I presume you meant
thou is the old Shakespearean word you you
(if you think you sound insane isn't that a just because for getting checked? drugs could help you
that's the point)
(Because to assume that your position is the only valid one makes your position invalid.)
(Hey Soph and tripster!)
(I replied Jai )
(exactly thanks trip. I've been called many a thing in my life time some of them have stuck sorry if that sounds like a diagnosis...
*ghosty ghost now*)
(Herrow. Stuff seems to be going down, eh?)
(xD great timing Soph xDDD
@ Chloe same :)
(Hey trip!)
(No one's going to put you on pills for liking to burn things. Seriously, even if anyone was dumb enough to try there aren't any appropriate ones. There's certainly be no white coats.)
(Herrow!)
(trip is right
but K, I fail to see how that contributes to your side of the debate?)
*ghosty wails can be heard in the distance* if they find out about that they find out other things woooo
(*sighs* my pov in a nutshell
you shouldn't label yourself
If you think you are something, you should get checked
that's why psychology and psychiatry exist, to help treat mental disorders
these fields have become so advanced, that people can take drugs and live relatively normal lives
they are to help you function
you cant diagnos yourself, to fling around mental illnesses like the common cold...its wrong
they are serious)
@Sophia whether something concerns someone is a matter of perspective.
(then they'll help treat you
then you no longer have to suffer
you can live a normal life)
http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Thor_Concept_Art_by_Michael_Kutsche_12a.jpg
Frosty! :D
(you have a cold for more than 8 years you get bloody used to it, it becomes a part of you, maybe you're scared of what it will be like to live without the cold, maybe you're scared that people will find out you had the cold in the first place and will judge you for not having a hanky sooner)
(@Kas true. But in situations where it's people voting on if homo/bi/etc should be allowed to marry it really doesn't concern heterosexual people..)
(fwost fwost!)
@Sophia: I'm assuming you're talking about the vote in Ireland?
(If not, sorry.)
People feel proud because they had to fight for those rights. Because the world was against them and they succeeded. And they're proud of people for realising that everyone should have rights.
And, the way democracy should function is that everyone should vote on how things should be, and which laws they want passed. If there is a law that nobody wants to abide to and nobody thinks is a good idea . . . then, democracy holding true, people should be able to do something about it. And if more people don't want gay marriage than do, then you are, in theory, doing what most people want so it is, in theory, the best thing to do.
Of course, it isn't a perfect system because people can vote stupidly, but no system is perfect. And if you can rig the system for gay marriage, then you can rig the system to pass laws that are . . . less awesome. If we want the system to have any validity at all, we have to stick to it.
(That said, I am TOTALLY in favour of gay marriage. Well, I'm not so in favour of the marriage bit because I think marriage is a bit stupid, but I am TOTALLY, TOTALLY in favour of everyone's right to be married and I just wish I was older and Irish so I could vote in favour of it. :P I'm just arguing against you because I saw a good argument against you.)
Sounds about right to me, Kas.
(@Duggy cooooooooool. I want it!)
(or you could suffer horribly and when you tell someone, theres a big misunderstanding and they don't judge you and want to help you)
I think if you have an issue, you should definitely tell people (people that are good to tell, I mean. Poeple that are likely to help) because it will most likely help and cannot hurt.
I . . . don't always follow my own advice on that point. I'm scared of telling people things, even simple things like "can I cut school today." But it is better too.
(But it sort of does. It's the law of THEIR country. If the law does not represent the majority it is most often wrong.)
OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE B GOT ME TO DICTH SCHOOL
WHAT
WHAT IS THIS
I CAN'T BELIEVE I DID THAT
sorry.
@Trip: Exactly. :)
(Hehe Star XD you Reb XD)
STAR. WHUY?
Indeed.
How are ye?
(I don't even know how to start to tell someone I think I need it... it'll ruin everything and there is basically nothing to begin with. I don't want to scare people off with my problems, I want to be normal and right now just acting normal is the only way I can do that and it works.
someone said I was basically their best friend the other day and I judged them for it. why ? how ? I think they're wrong for it, but I smiled a real smile because she said she cared and looked like she meant it.)
@Inky: It wasn't rebellious at all! It was entirely fear-motivated! I was scared of being left to lunch on my own! I did it because I was scared of the consequences! Proper rebellion is when you act regardless of the fear-inducing consequences! I did the opposite of that!
I
can't
believe
I
did
that.
You do realise I have attended school EVERY DAY for the past three years apart from yesterday?
Oh my god
Oh my god.
(Sorry. It just hit me.)
(why do you think there are psychiatrists and psychologists
they will help you be 'normal')
@Trip: I'm fine, thank you. :) Enjoying half term. :)
You?
@Conductor: Ah, everyone judges you, all the time. The difference really is if they judge you negatively or not. :)
Yes, telling someone is scary, but you'll save yourself negative emotion by doing it in the long run.
(Awww there there Starry)
@Inky: That sounded unbelievably creepy. :P
(Sorry. I know that wasn't your intention.)
Eh . . . I would like to point out at this point that pyschiatrists and psychologists wish to bring you MORE IN THE REALM of normal in order to either reduce harm on yourself or reduce harm on others.
The argument that psychiatrists and psychologists make people 'normal' really makes me go ':/' because normal is something distasteful to me that I would really rather not be, and the fact someone might CHANGE me to make me BECOME it sounds very horrible and scary.
So I decided to edit.
@Inky: :P
Msd, dinner soon!
(I can't. I... bye. Emails there I suppose if you wish but I might be a while going to blast music read books and just drown out everyone and everything else. bye)
(Fuck normal. It's not really the same, but my whole life a certain type of person has told me to not like what I like and just be normal. To me the word seems so abhorrent, a representation of giving up everything I've had to learn to be able to be. I own my peculiarity, but normalness is so uniform, it could never be mine.)
I'm getting a bit hungry, but I'm otherwise well thanks. :)
:/
I'm sorry, Conductor . . .
I hope you feel better soon.
(I meant without the disorder maybe normal was the wrong word?)
@Trip: :P Abhorrent. That's the word I was looking for.
Well, it is . . .
OH MY F-ING GOSH HOW IS IT TEN TO SEVEN?
Wow.
@Inky: :) It would be a perfectly fine word, were I and Trip not weirdos.
(normal in the sense where I don't want to do stuff.... all i'm saying need to go b4 now. bye)
IT'S WHAT NOW?
My golly.
Indeedles, Star.
OMLI IT'S PERFECT! :0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=alTpbS9nY1M
All right, dinner time. I'll be back!
(Byii trip!)
Loki: "I could have done it father! I could have done it! For you. For all of us"
Odin "No Loki."
:'(
(*frowbs* the rope burn at the back of my knees sting)
(Star - Gay marriage should be a standard, not a privilege. There should be no voting, or pride about it - it should just be there. The fact that people had to vote on the ability of an entire group of people to only get married is disgusting. Marriage is a basic thing that has been around for millennia, but it has only just been applied in Ireland to thousands of people. It shows how primitive and discriminative their society is. If you wanted to get married to someone who you loved, and you were unable to - without any valid reason - would you be happy? You could see the other couples getting married - but you were unable to. Because the majority of people didn't want you to, based only whether your partner was a male or female. Is that fair?)
(I agree
Did you hear about that Christian bakery?
It got sued because it wouldn't make a cake to support gay rights)
(*hugs Soph tightly*)
I know...Duggy...
Sorry vanished to clean gerbil cage.
I am Loki, of Asguard. And I am burdened with a glorious purpose!!!
*hugs Zaffy*
Poor Loki! D:
He's so great though!
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
(Hi byii zaffy!)
@Sophia: I really don't understand why marriage is such a big deal, personally. I have no desire to get married whatsoever, so it's hard for me to understand why it's a right as such. I mean, I see not allowing gay people to be married as rather mild compared to not allowing people to be gay.
BUT I understand the whole marriage thing a lot better than I understand why people are so against prostitution. Seriously. Can someone help me understand this????
I was having a think after I posted my comment, and I think that really, what you need is basic equality laws that can't be changed, and then all the other laws can be voted on after that. Otherwise people could vote that a group of people couldn't vote. :o So yeah, I agree.
I also agree that it would be VERY VERY GOOD if gay marriage was legal and VERY VERY BAD if it was illegal. But I think benefits are a good thing too, and I wouldn't be surprised if people voted to get rid of them. People don't always vote the way you want them to. If you could ensure that laws were exactly as you, personally, wanted them to be, regardless of what anyone else in the country thought - that would be a dictatorship. If we want to keep democracy valid, we have to stick by it, even when it votes for very bad things.
@Inky: Now, THAT I disagree with. Like you can't force people to care, you can't force people to support something they don't want to.
I don't knbow the circumstances, though. But if they just said, "No, I don't want to bake a cake for you, I'm sorry," then the bakery would be completely within their rights to do that, imo.
Of course, you could argue that democracy isn't always good, but that's a whole different argument. :)
(I can see both sides of the arguement when it comes to the bakery case
I mean, they can choose to make what they want
It's what they believe
And also they are paid, so they should satisfy their customers
But overall I think I'm on the bakery's side
Not cause they didn't support gay marriage
Because they got used for their beliefs)
@Inky: Actually - if they don't bake a cake for a gay marriage, they won't get paid like they would if they did, and they might also lose popularity and more customers if they don't.
If they don't bake the cake, they should suffer the lesspopularityandmoney consequences.
But they shouldn't be forced to bake it, because you're forcing them to do somethign they don't believe it.
That is what I believe.
Also, I believe in free will. They should have the free will to choose not to bake the cake.
NOw, going to watch X-Men. :)
@Sophia That's just your opinion. Other people might disagree.
You might say it doesn't concern them.
And, again, what concerns someone is a matter of perspective.
(@Kas I.. I would have to agree with Soph.. Honestly, I think it's up to a couple if they want to get married.. It shouldn't really concern anyone else. If I got married to another female, that doesn't affect anyone except me, her, maybe my family and friends. It doesn't particularly affect someone living miles away.)
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